Justice Chandrachud: "Does the union territory have a consolidated fund?"
Dr. Singhvi: "Yes. All the civil servants are paid by the NCT. Even today, with the LG asserting the power to create a post, appoint a post, transfer a post, it is nobody’s case that the entire thing is not paid for by me"
Justice Chandrachud: "entry 42 says state pensions, pensions payable out of the consolidated fund of state. It is Similar to entry 41. What about salaries and allowances of the ministers? The reason I ask is entry 41...."
Dr. Singhvi: "The salaries and allowances of ministers are again by the state"
Justice Chandrachud: "Delhi also undertakes a public debt, right?"
Dr. Singhvi: "it is common ground that Delhi has an assembly. You have created an assembly for all the other 8 UTs in India, for certain others by Parliament law, for us by constitutional amendment. This truncated version of Delhi assembly not being able to pass laws is provided in entries 1, 2 and 18...."
Justice Chandrachud: "You will have to concede One thing- this was felt in a conversation with brother Justice Shah- that entries 1, 2 and 18 are outside your purview. If the civil servants are posted in relation to 1, 2 and 18, then it will be outside your executive power also"
Dr. Singhvi: "I will not like to concede it. I cannot exercise power about land, public order and law...."
Justice Chandrachud: "If a civil servant is sent on deputation to deal with the land aspect...."
Dr. Singhvi: "On a theoretical basis, they were conscious of the query raised by My Lord, that yes, 1, 2 and 18 can have related things. But we are pointing out in our constitutional text that the Legislative Assembly shall have power to make laws for the whole or any part of the National Capital Territory with respect to any of the matters enumerated in the state List or in the Concurrent List in so far as any such matter is applicable to Union territories except matters with respect to Entries 1, 2 and 18 of the state List and Entries 64, 65 and 66 of that List in so far as they relate to the said Entries 1, 2 and 18"
Justice Narasimha: "You can constitute a Delhi State Public service commission. Legislative power for constituting this commission is there"
Dr. Singhvi: "and nothing to stop us from dealing with civil services also"
Justice Chandrachud: "the logical corollary, according to you, is that whenever the word state is used in the entry in the seventh schedule, legislative assembly of Delhi will have no jurisdiction. Salaries and allowances of ministers of the state- You can’t legislate on it because the word state is used. State Public service commission. State pensions. Public debt of the state. All these things will completely go out of the...."
Justice Chandrachud: "Coming back to the nature of the services, we have to have some clarity. Which are the services which are deputed to the union territory? One would be IAS, IPS which are all India services"
Dr. Singhvi: "There are some central government services. DANICS- Delhi, Andaman Nicobar Island civil services. DANIPS- Delhi, Andaman Nicobar Island police services. But they are always anchored in a state. Suppose I am an officer in the Ministry of petroleum, central government, I am an IAS, whether I can be relieved from petroleum and sent to Delhi will be decided by a board. Request comes from Delhi that please post Mr. so-and-so. The board may say I cannot be excused. I may also be released and posted to Delhi. Once he enters Delhi, then where will he be posted, whether he will sit under the Ministry of culture or Ministry of sewerage or ministry of water, perhaps After six months if not finding him suitable for water, he is transferred to Sewerage, Getting the NCT policy of cleaning Yamuna implemented through him- all this will be done by the NCT, he is now an officer of the NCT"